The second episode of the STEPS uncertainty podcast, part of a series of four conversations recorded with participants after the 2019 STEPS symposium on The Politics of Uncertainty, features Patrick van Zwanenberg (CENIT, Argentina, and T2S PATHWAYS network [part of the first phase of the Transformations to Sustainability programme]), Emery Roe (University of California, Berkeley), Andy Stirling (STEPS Centre and GoST project).

Listen to the full series of podcasts here.